The court can shut the casino down

Open or not, the courts can shut down the Graton casino. Learn how at www.stopgratoncasino.com
DC Murphy October 23, 2013 at 01:46 PM
The Native American Indians should take an offensive posture and go after these misguided, handfull of idiots, and hold them accountable to the fullest extent of the law (sue their asses off) for their malicious personal attacks on these great Native Americans. CLOSED BY COURT ORDER...Nah, won't happed. LOL!
Judd Ames October 23, 2013 at 02:00 PM
@Marilee Taylor Montgomery/AKA Stop Graton Casino and your: "Open or not, the courts can shut down the Graton casino. Learn how at www.stopgratoncasino.com" Essentially the same pap used in the Stop Graton Casino robocall to highjack for media attention the Stafford-Zane Q&A at the RP-C library. Consistent with Montgomery’s alternate universe of half-truths and misinformation (AKA lies), her robocall didn’t mention Mayor Stafford and Supervisor Zane, or that the purported opportunity to learn from Stop Graton Casino was actually a community town hall meeting organized by Mayor Stafford. Besides watching Montgomery’s organized denigration of a couple of local politicos, did anyone in attendance learn what they could do to stop the casino, besides of course donating money to her terribly mismanaged and long-lost cause?
Ralph Hutchinson October 23, 2013 at 03:24 PM
You have my support Marilee and an Army of grassroots people that hate casinos in Sonoma Valley...remember we booted them out of our valley in the "Cows Not Casinos" campaign before they found Rohnert Park. Let's take this offline and plot a strategy. We're in it to the bitter end. NO MORE CASINOS IN SONOMA. We're watching the Dry Creek Pomos in Petaluma mounting an attack as well.
Dan Fleming October 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Judd Ames, thanks for your intelligently thought out comment. It's nice to see that you research the facts before you post your comment!
Dan Fleming October 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM
Hey Ralph, maybe you should delete the comment above like you deleted the 30 other comment you wrote after I pointed out to the readers what you were up to! You yourself said I made a good point!
Judd Ames October 25, 2013 at 01:27 AM
@Dan... Thanks, I don’t assume to speak for you or anyone else, and of course respect those of us who speak out against a casino because it's deemed to be too close to wherever. But those of us who are also frequently offended by the years-long organized campaign of misinformation, half-truths, Patch interface gaming, pap and outright lies, thus fomenting fear with resulting ethnic and community discord, should speak out; too few seem to do, in my opinion. Perhaps in part so few respond here because most of us realize it's a done deal, and/or there are far fewer local-area Patch readers than thought.
Bruce Cohn October 27, 2013 at 08:58 AM
Da Court can't do a thing, the casino land is not under a U.S. judges jurisdiction, it is located in a sovereign nation
Dan Fleming October 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Ralph Hutchinson, did you Remove the Article you Posted "CASINO WAGES---reasonable, living or Union?"?
Dan Fleming October 29, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Ralph, this is a public forum! If you don't want other to read your comments Don't post them! You posted these comments then deleted them so I would be the only one to see them, this is what I meant when I said "Snake in the Grass". You have proved my point! "It was not generating intended input" So if the input doesn't produce the results you want you delete! You will probably get Stop Graton Casino to remove this article. Here are your post for all to see! Ralph Hutchinson commented on the article "CASINO WAGES---reasonable, living or Union?" you commented on in Speak Out: One more thing comment was made I delete comments. Typically I delete banter between commenters like us because it detracts from the point of the articles. I will likely delete several of these when our exchange is complete. Ralph Hutchinson commented on the article "The court can shut the casino down" you commented on in Town Square: It was intended to be a survey it was not generating intended input. Thus it was deleted.
Dan Fleming October 29, 2013 at 08:57 PM
Judd Ames, looks like I won't have to respond Ralph Hutchinson's comments, you took the words right out of my mouth! Patch readers will understand exactly what he is doing. Ralph will never get it.
Dan Fleming October 31, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Sal Nero, have you read my comments? My problem with Ralph Hutchinson is that posts a article from one side of his mouth and then comments about his own article from the other side of his mouth. One of the articles he posted, he commented 38 time. After I pointed out he foolishness he deleted most of the comments. Both of you complain about Darius Anderson and you both use the Patch to do the same thing you claim Darius Anderson does with the PD.
sal nero October 31, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Dan, the difference is I comment to uncover hidden truths and not just blather on like you and Judd who seem to just want to argue contrary views supportive of casinos. We don't like casinos in Sonoma. How about in Utah where you live ? ;-)
Dan Fleming October 31, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Ralph Hutchinson, You have after thoughts and it separates the thought into a small container. Rather run ons in a long comment. patch lacks paragraph capability on comments. And yes I delete sometimes as mentioned above. Do you realize how this sounds? No one else does this but you! Think before you speak then post your articles.
Cody Kitaura (Editor) October 31, 2013 at 01:44 PM
Folks, please stick to the topic and stay away from personal attacks. I hope we can all talk about local casinos without getting into a bunch of back-and-forth that isn't helpful to the actual discussion.
Judd Ames October 31, 2013 at 02:32 PM
@nero... Again, personally, it's not about casinos; it's about equality. E.g., several weeks ago, a female Native American spiritualist led an ancient sage-burning ceremony at the dying ancient oak that shades Jack London’s historic cabin within Jack London State Park near Glen Ellen. Almost immediately, per usual, you and Hutchinson began a SV Patch series of denigrating attacks on regional Native Americans, insinuating the ceremony was a smoke screen attempting to hide efforts to obtain and convert into a casino the old Sonoma State Hospital site, miles away in Eldridge. Yes, nero, your "hidden truths" are legendary.
sal nero October 31, 2013 at 04:41 PM
Well Judd-when I asked how come your Casino friends Sarris&Co @ Graton FIGR are bellyaching so much about the Lytton Pomo River Rock Casino they jumped south of now hopscotching them to the south in Petaluma you said you dont care. The more casinos for all Indians the merrier. Don't you understand the destructive nature of your position to the social fabric? Tell your Utah friend the same. BTW are you or he paid to be here?
Judd Ames October 31, 2013 at 09:51 PM
@nero… There you go, again, attempting to create another “hidden truth” within your say-anything alternate universe. Ten days ago you asked: “Why are your FIGR/Station friends trying to stomp on the Lytton Band's attempt to conduct their own business in Petaluma JUDD? Is a Hotel there or even another Casino a threat? Oh so now its not all about your Indian massacres any more is it? You are nothing but a house shill for FIGR/Station/Darius and you are officially busted.” To which I responded, fully: “@nero and your, "officially busted" pap. Nice try but no cigar. I'm fine with legalizing casinos throughout the state; built by anyone. How is that for equality?” My point, far from your usual misdirection, stems from previous debate regarding the business of gaming in general and its taxation, and that gambling isn’t after all a Native American invention. Related, the following linked Wikipedia “List of casinos in the United States” is noteworthy. Consider scrolling the long list, then consider explaining as a U.S. citizen, assuming you are, why some Americans of all shades are permitted to build places and devices for gambling (e.g., race tracks, river boats, cruise ships, card rooms, bingo parlors, casinos, lottery machines and networks, etc.), yet others cannot in your words, “conduct their own business?” Finally, regarding your oft-used, you-must-have-a-hidden-agenda-who-pays-you pap; besides occasional related discussion with the incredible lady who decades ago decided to live the rest of her life with me and create a family, I have no such relationships or connections whatsoever. http://tinyurl.com/mhmwq6r
sal nero October 31, 2013 at 11:15 PM
Wow Just look at you. We won't continue
Judd Ames November 01, 2013 at 02:41 PM
@nero and your, “Don't you understand the destructive nature of your position to the social fabric?” Perhaps you’ll consider returning to continue this thread and providing supporting data as it relates to legal gaming in Sonoma County and throughout California. Marilee Taylor Montgomery and her donate-to-me Stop Graton Casino scam shoveled that fear-mongering pap for ten years. Yet when repeatedly challenged she would not provide anything beyond unsupported anecdotes and assumptions. And consider taking a break from seeking all things negative regarding Darius Anderson and associates, to research this regionally blasphemous suggestion: The products from our “Wine Country” and other California appellations contribute to more deaths, social fabric destruction, family breakups, and worker abuse than all of our legal gaming in America.
Judd Ames November 01, 2013 at 03:27 PM
@nero again… To be clearer, consider your related hypocrisy and that products from our “Wine Country” and other California appellations continue to contribute to far, far more deaths, social fabric destruction, family breakups, and worker abuse than all of our legal gaming in America ever will.
Dan Fleming November 01, 2013 at 05:10 PM
@nero, Could it be that I reside in both Utah and Rohnart Park? Will I do! I grew up in Marin Co. till I was 15 and have been in Sonoma Co. for almost 40 years!


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