False Statistics by Feminist Groups Lead to Hysteria, Misandry

The leading cause of death for women is heart disease, followed by cancer, not domestic violence, says male advocate and Petaluma resident Joe Manthey

Dear Editor,

In your April 17  article you quoted Jacque Reid, a navigator at the Family Justice Center in Santa Rosa, who claimed that “domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women in the United States and it crosses all cultural and economic lines.” But according to University of Pennsylvania domestic violence researcher Richard Gelles, “as good a sound bite as it is, the statement is simply not true.”

Sure enough, according to Department of Health and Human Services, the leading cause of injury for women in the United States is falls, followed by motor vehicle accident and overexertion. In fact, domestic violence doesn’t even appear on the list of leading causes of injury for women.

The actual research behind this factoid is based on a survey of one emergency room. The facts, as reported in a U.S. Department of Justice study, are that all violence is responsible for about 3 percent of women's injury-related visits to emergency rooms with domestic violence accounting for about 1 percent of such. By comparison, Centers for Disease and Control numbers show that more than twice as many women visit emergency rooms due to being injured by an animal than by a male partner.

But what if you broke the numbers down by race, as Attorney General of the U.S. Eric Holder did in 2010? "The facts are clear," said Holder. "Intimate partner homicide is the leading cause of death for African-American women ages 15 to 45."

Yet, according to the CDC and the Justice Department's own Bureau of Justice Statistics, the leading causes of death for African-American women between the ages 15–45 are cancer, heart disease, unintentional injuries such as car accidents, and HIV disease. Homicide comes in fifth — and includes murders by strangers. In 2006 (the latest year for which full statistics are available), several hundred African-American women died from intimate partner homicide — each one a tragedy, but far fewer than the approximately 6,800 African-American women who died of the other leading causes.

Unfortunately, misinformation spread by battered women advocates, government officials and unquestioning journalists leads to hysteria, not to mention misandry.

Joe Manthey is a Petaluma resident and male advocate.

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LaRae Meadows April 23, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Do you know what the words prejudice and bullying mean?
LaRae Meadows April 23, 2012 at 08:36 PM
For example?
LaRae Meadows April 23, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Steve. 1:35 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012 "Steve. By "the truth" you mean you decide and then look for evidence that supports that?" I specifically stated that I was opposed to that. Stop putting words in my mouth." When I ask a question, I'm actually asking a question. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth - I was trying to understand your position. I know the internet does not allow us to convey tone very well. I would love to see your Lakatosian analysis of the VAWA.
LaRae Meadows April 23, 2012 at 08:49 PM
Joe. I'm sure I'm not perfect but I don't remember attacking someone's character. I did, after I was insulted several times by the same person, say that seemed perfectly in line with their character so far. That is hardly the same. While you are reading posts - where is the evidence that "False Statistics by Feminist Groups Lead to Hysteria, Misandry". You made that assertion but you didn't back it up.
Steve P April 23, 2012 at 08:50 PM
"Does g-fem exist, LaRae? : I have never met one and I run in academic and scientific circles." Because they are very careful to cloak their actions in the language of equality. You know, just like Animal Farm - all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. You need to look at actions not words. Once you see it, you see it everywhere. Some have likened it to taking the red pill in the Matrix movie. "I am not aware of any laws or policies that fit that criteria. Would you like me to address pretend legislation, law or policy?" LOL, let's start with affirmative action and go from there. Visit just about any men's rights site for a long list of differential laws and policies.
Steve P April 23, 2012 at 09:16 PM
"please provide some links to evidence that men in 1994 (the year VAWA was passed) were beating women with impunity." I believe I did do." But your "evidence" shows no such thing. You have failed to acknowledge any of my critiques on your first article (e.g. that an allegation of aggravated battery is not actually an aggravated battery or that men are actually over-represented in arrests.) "If I advocated the revocation of the 19th amendment it would be reasonable to infer that I no longer wanted women to have the right to vote." Not at all, the 19th amendment gives everyone the right to vote. Protesting a bill that privileges one group over another (VAWA) is quite a different thing. "If there is some consequence of the VAWA like that, I want to hear it." http://www.saveservices.org/falsely-accused/survey/ http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-Cost-of-False-Allegations.pdf http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/ "Nor do I accept that means that women can't or should not be arrested or that they are not arrested if they abuse their male partners." That's great but creating a culture of "men bad, women good" means that women often get excused for behavior that would earn men prison time. VAWA by definition implies that intimate violence only occurs to women. Do some research on gender differentials in sentencing and incarceration rates for the same crimes.
Joe Manthey April 23, 2012 at 09:51 PM
I wrote a letter to the editor, not a book LaRae. The male commentators have provided many example to your question but please allow me to give you a local perspective. The hysteria began in Sonoma County in 1996 with the Macias murder-suicide. The Macias' bodies were discovered by then Assembly woman Valerie Brown as she was driving to work and she made it a political issue. Mind you that the nation had just watched, acknowledged and discussed domestic violence before, during and after the O.J. Simpson murder trial (the so-called "trial of the century") that lasted 11 months 'till Oct. 1995, so it wasn't like DV was something that we, as a community, did not address, as say 30 years ago. But heads rolled within' the Sheriff's Department as it was discovered that one of the investigating officer's brothers - who was also a Sheriff's deputy - had been arrested for DV, so both were fired. To be continued.
Joe Manthey April 23, 2012 at 09:52 PM
I interviewed two local prominent criminal defense attorneys, L. Stephen Turer and Chris Andrian, for broadcast on PCA TV in the late 1990s on the subject of DV and they both stated that the Petaluma Police Dept. was notorious in the legal community for charging people - men or women - with DV felonies when there were not even any marks. Turer gave an example of a woman who became frustrated that her husband had turned around and was not listening to her so she proceeded to pound on his back. He called the police. When they arrived he recanted and said it was no big deal. They said they still had to investigate and proceeded to book her on felony DV. And there was a case where a man got upset with his wife and smartly decided to leave the house and cool off. Before he left he pounded on the garage wall. His wife was not in the garage but he was arrested for DV for hitting the wall. Both attorneys stated that they have people coming through their doors who are not criminals and should not be in the criminal justice system, but the battered women advocates had successfully persuaded the powers that be that counseling by itself was not a legal option. Jail time was now mandatory, no matter how slight the violence. Andrian talked about part of the new laws being unconstitutional as the victim is no longer required to testify in court; yet we have a fundamental legal principal in America that the accused gets to face his or her accuser in a court of law. To be continued.
Joe Manthey April 23, 2012 at 09:53 PM
The "DV industry" that some of the commentators are referring to is real. That's why the Petaluma Police Dept. was charging people with felonies, no matter how slight the violence. Virtually all of their money to have officers who specialize in DV as well as DV advocates, comes from grant monies. They had a detective who did nothing but assist victims and investigate DV cases as a result. His position has long since been cut after the hysteria died down and the monies ran out. People who dole out DV grant monies want to see results in the form of arrest numbers. And felonies make a police dept. look better than misdemeanors. A current example of the hysteria turning into bad public policy is the DV case against the suspended San Francisco Sheriff. The violence was very minor, the victim did not even report it and she never cooperated with authorities. Yet the man was automatically served with a restraining order ordering zero contact with his family (making him homeless), and to make a long story shot, he appears to have lost his job and probably had his very successful career ruined. And he has major attorney fees as a result. Hope that helps and thanks again for your interest in the subject.
Darris April 30, 2012 at 04:09 PM
More often than not you will never know the victims of DV because they are silent. You will not see them in your emergency rooms or speaking out at feminist rallies. This is not a "feminist" issue, it's a violence issue. It's unfortunate that reports on "statistics" are not always accurate. But let's not dust ourselves off and strut down the hall feeling all warm and cozy because hardly anyone is 'really' getting hurt out there . . . DV is a real issue with real victims on both sides. It’s a problem that can be solved by education and community involvement. Slinging angry words about solves nothing and only pulls this issue further back into the closet.
Steve P April 30, 2012 at 04:32 PM
Yes, Darris, it's a violence issue but accurate statistics matter because they shape our perceptions about how resources should be allocated. Right now, the perception is that men do not get hurt and the vast majority of resources go to women. Similarly, distorted statistics as to the size of the problem also lead society's resources to be misallocated. There are a lot of problems in the world - we deserve a fair picture of where are resources are going. P.S. I'm confused, who exactly said no one is getting hurt?
Fidelbogen April 30, 2012 at 09:48 PM
The particular statistic cited in the article (that DV is the leading cause of death for women) has been debunked for years. Years! And there is a pattern among feminists (or "women's groups") to repeat old lies again and again and again. Those lies have more lives than a cat. The people who do this ought to be taken to task. It is no longer an excuse for them to claim ignorance -- by now, they've had long enough to get things straight, and a "rude awakening" is very much in the warrant. Also, the burden of proof is upon anybody to prove why misandry would NOT be promoted by information which promotes the male-as-perpetrator ideological paradigm. It ought to be self-evident that spreading libellous information about a group of people (men in this case) can only promote ill-feeling about that group, especially if the libel goes uncorrected. Finally, I agree it is not misandry to call attention to DV. But that is a strawman argument since nobody ever said any such thing. What IS misandry, is to frame the issue in a way which repeats (or fails to correct) libellous information about men.
Fidelbogen April 30, 2012 at 09:57 PM
I agree it is unproductive to turn this into a men v. women conversation. But that is exactly what the feminists did, years ago. They started it. And many people nowadays want to call attention to this historical fact so that we can correct a gross historical disaster, and then get history back on the right track. Hopefully. ;)
Fidelbogen April 30, 2012 at 10:06 PM
LaRae: Quit pretending that you don't know what men are talking about. You've had YEARS to figure this out, because that is how long they have been explaining these things. You're just stalling for time. . . aren't you?
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 12:49 AM
" Trying to belittle me - that will not work in your favor." In your case, it is not even necessary to try. So if somebody did try, they would make unnecessary work for them themselves -- and I agree that working too hard does not work in a person's favor. It's a waste of energy.
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:15 AM
"Some people may not even be aware of the bias against males that their harboring by being a feminist ideologue." Naturally. The dominating class is typically unaware of its power, while the oppressed class sees the power of the dominating class extremely clearly. The right standpoint, that's all it takes! ;)
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:21 AM
"Do you know what the words prejudice and bullying mean?" Well, in this case they mean bullying somebody for their self-assertion by prejudicially thinking that you have a right to behave that way.
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:30 AM
The DV industry is the industry which has grown up around the issue of domestic violence in last quarter-century. Start paying attention. Plenty of people have been describing this in minute detail for many years. You know what? I think you are feigning ignorance. The term "DV industry" has been around for quite a while, and I don't know what rock you are living under if you haven't at least HEARD that phrase by now.
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:33 AM
LaRae Meadows: If a man beats the tar out of his wife at home, he has committed the crime of battery. If the same man beats the tar out of another man in a bar, then again he has committed the crime of battery. He has committed the identical crime in either case, and the eye of the law should be blind to all distinction. What part of the above is not clear to you?
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:39 AM
LaRae Meadows said: " I do not, however, think that addressing the reality that women were not offered the legal protections of prosecution and trying to fix that means it is misandry." If that is true, then offer them the legal protections of prosecution, which should be the same for anybody. Then, after you have made those adjustments. . . explain why violence "against women" needs to be a special category under law, as opposed to any other form of violence.
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 01:43 AM
LaRae Meadows said: "There - you heard it from a feminist." Thank you for confessing to being a feminist. So tell me, please: How do you, as a "feminist" intend to make feminism a finite game? What is your plan?
Fidelbogen May 01, 2012 at 06:22 AM
I agree that "self" righteousness is the second-best choice when actual righteousness can be gotten. ;)
Vicki May 03, 2012 at 10:27 PM
It is so out of control that last time I went to the doctor for a regular check up she would not treat me unless I made a false accusation of domestic violence.
teebs May 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM
Bigotry 101 Domestic Violence - Women are at least 1/2 the problem. If only men were seen as human beings they would then come forward and speak their side of the horror show which destroys the minds and bodies of men by the millions. Instead a man is not human, for to speak out he is condemned as a "victim blaming rapists". As a fact, given even non-religious reasons, 7/10 baby boys have have 20,000 nerve ending ripped off the end of their penises, something routine also in Canada as well during the 70's, without anesthetic, nor consent, resulting is trauma shock and destruction of infant/mother bond when it is most need, and lost of human sexuality for the boy. the foreskin cells are used for luxury face cream btw, see Oprah - SkinMedica. There's Countless women's only shelters, Women's only education funding, divorce bias, legal accountability bias, while the men' shelter remains the street. Men are not seen as human beings under the eyes of the law. This is a sick society, full of misandry, a word still not recognized within most spell checks btw. Class-action lawsuits are well due, these sick women and men must be prosecuted and isolated from society, not indoctrinating it down with heinous depths hatred against the 'defective woman', that is Man.
Fidelbogen May 22, 2012 at 11:58 PM
I will define "feminist logic". It means the widely observed tendency of self-declared feminists to be intellectually dishonest in a variety of ways.
Fidelbogen May 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM
You're right, it's not a "feminist" issue, it's a violence issue. And it's a pity the feminists refuse to see it that way. So, I guess their intractable attitude sort of makes it a feminist issue after all . . . . doesn't it?
Jennifer Moyer November 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM
The news media and media in general cannot be trusted.
The Advocate January 19, 2013 at 05:52 PM
I read the original study that concluded; “domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women in the United States and it crosses all cultural and economic lines.” This is how the study was done; researchers spoke to women in hospital emergency waiting rooms and asked them if they were ever victims of domestic violence; remember that the women in emergency were there for multiple reasons; any reason for a person to use hospital emergency BUT if the woman stated she experienced dv 5 years ago it was listed that the woman was using the emergency department because of domestic violence; not because her had an allergic reaction to peanuts but because she experienced dv 5 years ago. How is that for an accurate study?
The Advocate January 19, 2013 at 06:36 PM
Can you answer the question why men are excluded from, and participation, in family violence discussion??? • When we talk about military veterans we talk about both men and women of the armed forces; albeit over 80% of the veterans are men. • When we talk about workers who died on the job we talk about both men and women who died; albeit over 95% of the workers who die are men. • When we talk about homelessness we talk about both men and women who are homeless; albeit over 80% of homeless are men. • When we talk about suicide we talk about both men and women who are victims; albeit over 80% of suicide s are men. BUT when media or groups talks about family violence, they define family violence as violent men and victim women; albeit all dual gender domestic violence interpersonal violence {IPV} consistently demonstrate a ratio of 50% to 50% gender symmetry http://www.familyofmen.com/gendersymmetry/ exists in family violence incidents (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/2010000/t002-eng.htm, Male=6.0% & female=6.4%), …but men are excluded from family violence discussion; why?
MEJ May 13, 2013 at 06:23 PM
The Advocate. What was the original study? What hospital was it at? Who did the study?


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